Topic: Would things be different in America if.?
July 19, 2019 / By Ursula Question:
The excellent film Amazing Grace shows how slavery throughout the British Empire was peacefully abolished in 1807 through the tireless efforts of William Wilberforce over a period of 20 years. We all know that it continued for much longer in America, and ultimately required a civil war to bring about its end. Had it not, do you think race relations in America would be vastly improved, i.e., more like what they are today in the UK?
Scheherazade | 5 days ago
It isn't slavery per se that's made ethnic (race doesn't exist)relations what they are today.
If whites had simply enslaved Africans and then Negroes, and then after slavery allowed them to access any occupation they had the skills for, there would be no problems.
However, instead whites created something called "race," which held that one group was superior or inferior to the other.
Some of the ways they "proved" this was through the use of pseudo-scientific fraud, such as craniometry, neoteny, or recapitulation.
Another major white out was the exclusion of the accomplishments and contributions that Africans and Blacks have made to both the U.S. and the world.
By not being able to read about Black inventors, etc., whites simply thought that "they didn't do anything to contribute to the building of the US."
Even today, Blacks are more likely to appear in the media, which includes textbooks, in a few, stereotypical roles: athletes, welfare recipients, drug addicts, menial labor, etc., rather than as executives, supervisors, doctors, engineers, etc.
During the past year and even now....Black entrepreneurs are the fastest growing group of business owners...but how many whites know that? Do you see that on CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX, or ABC?! Nope!
But you do see plenty of criminals, don't you? Same old racist exclusion that whites were practicing 300 years ago....when they proclaimed that Africans were inferior, etc.
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Hmmmm. I don't think that would matter at all. I think some would still use it as a crutch. Our culture has allowed it. I'm tired of hearing how the African-Americans are not treated as equals to this day.
If African-Americans apply themselves, work hard in school, and prove themselves like anyone else, they have the opportunity (like anyone else who wants to take it) to prosper and live a decent life.
Many have done very well and are respected by all. Even African-American politicians, whether you believe in their cause or not are respected by a majority of people. (Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Obama, etc.)
There were (and still are, in many ways, though they may not carry the title "slave") more barbaric examples of slavery throughout the world than what happened in the US. And most of it included "white" people.
Hitler tried to wipe out a race. Does this mean in Germany the relationship between Jews and the rest of the German population are still strained?
The people in the USA who should be upset about racial relations are the Native Americans who were forced off their own land and put onto small patches of land. Those whose children were taken away, sent to "civilized schools", dressed in "civilized clothes" and forced to learn a "civilized language". TO THIS DAY, these people have not been allowed to reclaim their own lands.
I see too many belly-aching about how things WERE and how badly THEY WERE treated even all the while it has been several generations. If they really want to make a statement, they should become something positive.
I was widowed with small children, but refused to receive handouts from the government. I penny pinched and made something of myself.
But for those who still want to hear it, here it is:
It was a terrible terrible thing that the European immigrants and all who were involved in the slave trade did to the Africans. I for one am sorry that so many people had to go through something like that and so many of their families were torn apart. Take comfort in knowing that the whole nation was not in agreement with what happened and that is why a nation went to war to free the slaves. It wasn't a clash of colors, but a clash of two totally different cultures within a country. Those who were slave-free in the North and those who used the blood, sweat and tears for their own profit in the South.
Now however, is your opportunity to become whatever you dream, and to be a living legacy to your ancestors who gave all. They deserve to have you show you can rise above it all. You can take the opportunity and run with it and help make the world a better place or you can choose to do nothing. But it is YOUR choice. No one is stopping you. And it could take A LOT of work. But nothing in this life is free.
I think things would be about the same. Even now some people are still trying to justify slavery and some still think blacks are inferior. Those thoughts didn't come about just because of how slavery ended. I personally think the overall mentality of Americans compared to Europeans is ultimately what caused our country's race relations to be so bad. It was just easier to blame and hate blacks for things that went wrong rather than taking responsibility, and that way of thinking unfortunately continues today.
You are on point with the justifying of slavery and they are always the first ones to bring it up too... Like the dude above you just apologizing for no good reason.
People like him pay entirely too much attention the rhetoric of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson...as if they speak for all black peopel everywhere.
Some black folks are so wrapped up in bitterness and anger that they cannot see all the progress which has taken place. They're hardwired to concentrate on the negative.
Some white people just want to pretend **** out of existence. Like slavery and the continued persecution an entire race of people just never happened. Like we all just skipped off into the freaking sunset singing shiny happy people.
I don't know how you can say that injustice doesn't exist. Hell Women STILL earn less than men.
But we can't admit that these disparities exist between racial groups? Look at the Native Americans. Look at the Mexicans. I'm not very pc so I have no issue with taking notice of the obvious.
...I don't know what the hell some of you are talking about with this 'playing field is level' crap.
According to whom? A white MALE (25-40)...?
Appears to be the case.
Playing field isn't level--but it doesn't matter. It won't be level. Black people were never meant to make it as a people in this country.
Racism is alive and well but it doesn't even matter. It's almost irrelevant. It's simply NOT the barrier that it once was.
Some black people have to let go if bitterness. Others have to buckle down and get it together. We have to concentrate on ourselves and our communities. It is happening as we speak and I am glad for it.