If the air force is go great, why don't many people join?
Topic: If the air force is go great, why don't many people join?
June 16, 2019 / By Celia Question:
I read a lot about how great the air force is on this site (good pay, housing, etc) but how come more people opt to go to college instead? Also, many people who leave the air force or any branch of the military are struggling financially when they return to civilian life, so how can the air force be so great? My friend's ex-boyfriend was in the army for 4 years, and is stuck working a minimum wage job as a cook. Also, many of the janitors at my college are air force/army veterans. So basically what I am saying is that the armed forces really doesnt do you any good.
LAVADOG..you gave the best advice ever. You are so right. It makes me wonder how people think that they've got it made once they join the military!
Best Answers: If the air force is go great, why don't many people join?
Annitta | 6 days ago
Its unfair to assume that because you serve in the military you will be successful..I dont know how people get the impression that the military solves all of your problems..
Yes it jump starts some folks but most people just serve their four years and then continue life as if they were 18 again..Basically the military just delays your civilian life for four years for most people..
The military does not promise it will help you out in the civilian transition..many make the mistake of thinking that because they served that jobs are awaiting them..Like I said..for some this is true and for most it is not..
The same rule applies when people who are shy or not aggressive in nature enlist in hopes that the military will change them..It might change them temporarily but when they get out they are who they were before they enlisted..
Military or no military the people who have a rough time finding a job would of been in the same boat regardless of service..
And the AF is better for some the same way the USMC was better for me..You could not of paid me to serve in the AF and its not because I dont like them..its because they did not offer what I was looking for..Some people like the easy life to claim they have served their country while others love to fight on the front lines and have full knowledge that they have made a impact..Some people are only interested in what the military can do for them and I thank god I was not one of them..
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Originally Answered: When should I join the Air Force?
A community college is a legitimate source of higher education. One that can save you thousands of dollars while a "legitimate" university will put you in debt up to your eyes. Anyway, back to your question:
1. If you have high grades in legitimate science and math courses (AP) apply for both the Air Force Academy and AFROTC. Your gpa should be above a 3.5 if you are an athlete and 3.8 and above for a non-athlete. You should have extra curricular activities where you hold leadership positions. If you apply to the academy, you need a congressional recommendation. You should check into who your rep is now and start asking questions. The academy is very competitive and that is why I say to apply for both. If you were to earn both, you would pick the one that you want. The Academy is paid for 100% to include room and board and a small stipend. AFROTC scholarship info can be found at http://afrotc.com/scholarships/high-scho...
2. If you have the money but do not receive a scholarship, you can participate in AFROTC as a non-scholarship cadet http://afrotc.com/learn-about/programs-a... You do not incur a military obligation until you sign as a college junior.
3. If you have the money but do not do afrotc, apply for OTS (officer training school). OTS is not guaranteed just on the basis of having a degree. There are many other physical, educational, and psychological standards that you have to meet. It is very hard to get an ots slot and they look primarily at candidates with technical degrees (you will also find this for afrotc scholarship selection).
4. If you have some money and go to a legitimate community college, you can do 2 years of college and get your associate's degree which will allow you to come in with some additional enlisted rank. I think that you can come in as an e-4 with an associate's degree. In addition, you can use tuition assistance for active duty service members to work on finishing your 4 year degree. You can only go to school part time but you could still work on the degree while in. The nice thing is that you still get post 911 gi bill benefits after you earn your honorable discharge.
5. If you do not have money, enlist and serve 4 years and then get out and go to college using your gi bill benefits. These benefits cover tuition at instate universities and a good chunk of private school tuition. Some private schools are yellow ribbon meaning that they waive the difference. The gi bill also provides a monthly stipend known as basic allowance for housing (bah). BAH is based on the geographic location of your school and it is at the e-5 rate. It is nontaxable and is usually around $1100 to $1500 per month while you are a full time student. If you used tuition assistance and already have coursework completed, you can use the remain gi bill benefits for graduate school.
You have to be careful with the guard. Some states offer free tuition for guard members and some do not. You cannot always schedule your drills and deployments and while Air Guard deployments are shorter, they are more frequent. My cousin has deployed around 5 times since 911 but the deployments are 4 months. However, if you are in school, that can be brutal. The reserves offer much less than the guard in terms of educational benefits depending on your state. The other thing to keep in mind is that you belong to the guard so if you want active duty, you can apply for it, but the AF makes it really hard to transfer.
You obviously know very little about the armed forces. It does a lot of people a lot of good. Soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen all have the opportunity to learn valuable skills and develop positive traits like motivation, discipline, respect, teamwork, and leadership. The key word there is OPPORTUNITY. Just like anything else, you get out of the military what you put into it. Your friend's ex obviously didn't put much into his Army career, and those who end up struggling financially when they return to civilian life obviously didn't plan well.
Did you know over 60% of the people who join the Air Force for 4 years re-enlist? Did you also know that the Air Force now pays 100% of the cost of tuition for college courses you take as long as you get a C grade or better? Finally, did you know that almost half the enlisted members in the Air Force have at least an associates' degree and over 30% have a bachelors' degree? So getting a degree with the Air Force picking up almost all of the tab doesn't do you any good, huh?
P.S.: How old are the janitors at your college? I can't tell you how many military retirees I know that planned well and are set for their retirement years but work anyway, just so they have something to do...
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A lot of people going into college take ROTC scholarships, are in one of the service academies, or want a degree so that they can join as officers.
It takes a certain type of person to join any of the services, and if you're not that type of person, you won't join no matter what incentives are put before you.
The military has a lot of opportunity for training. Not just taking college credits on the side, but we take people who show an aptitude and will train them in that job. You can come out with a whole lot of expertise and practical experience in very technical areas.
On the other hand, if you only serve a short amount of time, don't take advantage of all the savings and earning plans in place, don't take advantage of all the education and training benefits, and spend your entire 4 years being a clerk without motivation to move up, you're not going to be a success in civilian life anymore than you were in the military. Just like anything, you get out what you put in.
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Alot of opportunities are offered to you while you are in the Military including free college. The people come out of the Military that are unsuccessful are probably the people who while they were in the Military were unsuccessful. Despite what many people want to think not all people are created equal. There are people graduating from college that are not very productive either.
I am a E6 over 10, I have my BA, I am a licensed Realtor I own a few homes and a bit of land. I am constantly work towards the future, some of my contemporaries are heavily in debt, have nothing to show for it and worry about the weekend, many others are preparing for the future.
Each Peron is different, successful people are successful because of who they are and who they PLAN on becoming not what they just happen to become.
Many Military members don't take advantage of all that is offered when it comes to prepping for the future.
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1) Once a person decides on joining the military they have to go through some "prerequisites", it is during this time where a person fails to qualify for military service...keep in mind that the AF has a stricter policy on who it allows to join. So in other words not everyone is qualified to join the military so they opt to go to college or work elsewhere. Also, there aren't to many people eager to sign-up anyways because the pay isn't the best (jr ranks) and because of what is going on overseas.
2) You have to take into consideration what their job was while they were serving and whether they were dishonorably discharged or not. Also, what is the job market like in your city? Some military members retire and take a simple job like a Wal-Mart greeter just to have an additional income and do something with their spare time. I separated from the military in Jan of 07 and was fortunate enough to find a great job that pays well....I'm sure it helped that I served for 9 years and I have my college education.
Every military member, be it currently serving or vet, is different. We all take what we want from it, some of us move on to bigger and better things and others struggle....just like those who go to college, some land that bad a ss job while others are still looking. It just all depends on the individual.
Note...AF Recruiting goal is going up 12% next year (Oct 2008).
VERY TRUE LAVADOG :)
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Originally Answered: What if I don't know what career I want once I join the Air Force?
OK. I am "for" you. And, I will tell you why. The purpose of probation is that it is a community based sentence so that you can show that you have rehabilitated yourself in society. If you are working successfully to complete your probation and following all the judge's rules and conditions on your probation orders then that is good. Don't slide back and get revoked and re-sentenced to something harsher.
OK. Now, I know why your recruiter is not spending much time on you. Because she knows that while you are ON probation in your local jurisdiction the Air Force will not enlist you.
You must complete your community based sentence of probation first. Then, when you owe NO money to the court for court costs, fines, DUI classes, fees, restitution, etc. then you are in a better position for enlistment.
When I was a probation officer my department passed all request letters for folks wanting to enlist into the military to me because I retired from the Air Force after 27 years of service. The recruiters have a letter format that must be signed off on by the Probation Department or someone in the Court system. This letter tells why you were on probation and if you successfully completed your probation requirements as set down by the judge of the court.
I would interview these folks and explain to them what the military services was requesting me to do. Also, you will have to sign release waivers so that we can submit this information to the military. Local recruiters in our area would come to see me with these releases and request our assistance for the waiver that they have to submit to higher command to authorize your enlistment.
I would talk with your probation officer at your next visit and inform him/her about our desire to enlist into the Air Force. Show your probation officer that you are sincere and that you WILL complete all your probation requirements without getting revoked and re-sentenced.
Don't give up. It is not all that bad. Of course, this means that you can never drink alcoholic beverages again. Otherwise, if you do while in the military and get a DUI I can advise you that you will be punished more harshly in the military than in civilian court. And, you will not be selected for reenlistment. Also, depending, you may even be discharged from the Air Force before your term is up.
Remaining in the military is based on good conduct, excellent duty performance, adherence to Air Force Standards and Conduct, and having an Esprit de corps. If you are sincere you can adapt and overcome. Good Luck. Study that ASVAB book.
Also, if you want more time... then, finish probation, go to community college, graduate, and then apply for enlistment into the Air Force. You may be 25 or 26 years old by then and you will have to adjust to being in basic training with many 18 - 19 year olds. But, it you are serious - it is worth it. Besides, it shows the Air Force that you have successfully rehabilitated yourself in the community. And, folks with an Associate Degree gain a promotion in grade upon graduation from basic training - if this is still being done.
Actually, completing your A.A. degree can be your best shot. Major? For the 2 year degree Liberal Arts is a fine major. That is broad enough so that you have advanced knowledge that will help you in any Air Force specialty.
If you are in Air Force training you will be placed where your ASVAB scores show that you have the aptitude to succeed in that career field. Go to Airforce.com and look at the jobs for enlisted people. Learn about them. Think about what appeals to you. The Air Force does not want to put you into a job you will fail at. The only way you can fail is if you do not study, don't to the homework, and don't put all your efforts into the job. After all, you ARE getting paid for learning. Don't let the taxpayers and yourself down.
Check it out. And Good Luck.
SMSgt, USAF (Ret.)