Topic: How do you make the leap from belief in a creator to belief in a religion?
June 16, 2019 / By Dena Question:
I can understand that armchair philosophy, curiousity, and lack of other tangible, understandable solutions can lead many to believe in a creator or creative force. After all, this has happened throughout the history of mankind and seems to be a very human trait.
What I don't get is the leap that occurs with some people to assign an interventionalist, caring, responsive role to this creator.
Is this an example of what Keith Stanovich calls "dysrationalia"?
Perhaps a religious person can explain the thought processes that led them to make such a leap, and what connections they are making to lead them to such conclusions. Please don't say "it's in a book", or somesuch. I want to know YOUR thought processes in coming to believe in something so strongly.
Calanthia | 1 day ago
Isn't the term dysrationalia "in a book"? What makes the assignment of such a phrase any more applicable to a person simply because a "noted" specialist coined the term and has written about it? By the way, I would strongly disagree that a decision to put my life in the hands of an Almighty Creator is anything close to dysrationalia and further your implication is a misuse of said terminology.
With regard to a leap from belief in a Creator to belief in a religion, I would suggest a true leap of faith goes in the opposite direction. Many people begin with some sort of religious belief. Go to church, or synagogue or whatever on any given day, then perhaps some circumstance in their lives occur which cause them to ponder the possibility that there is more to it than being a "good" person, or devlopment of good morals. An inquiry ensues and in due time a decision is made.
As a former non-religious person, who has become a firm believer in Jesus Christ and the one true God my thought process went something like this.
I am a reasonably good person, I have strong morals and ethics and I give to good causes. I am not a stupid person, in fact rather fancied myself a highly intelligent person, at least highly motivated to investigate the world around me. Then one day I had my crisis (which by the way, well I won't go into the etymology of the word). Rather, I had an epiphany, I really thought there's gotta be more to it than this. It had nothing to do with going to heaven or hell, neither had really ever entered my mind for "serious" consideration. I simply decided to do some investigating. As I did, interview several "religious" forms, I realized those that I investigated did not ring true. I simply could not follow just any religion. Then someone somewhere mentioned the idea that God was a real being who desired to have a real relationship with me and He opened the door for that relationship, another term is "bridged the gap", through His Son Jesus Christ. I began asking questions and as I listened to the answers I was amazed at the staightforwardness of Jesus, the intelligence, compassion and love which emanated from Him, and those who I came to believe were true followers of Him.
I then had another epiphany. It simply was a moment where the key turned in the lock, and I was able to comprehend to a greater degree the reality of who Jesus is. At that moment I thought "How could I not worship Him?" Having met the Creator of the Universe, who declared His love for all, who declared His desire to redeem this world and having been presented with the invitation to be part of this planned redemption, then isn't it the most rational thing in the world to accept the invitation?
Let us say, I have a preconcieved notion about an event which is to take place. Because I have a negative preconception, I say "Nah, not interested". But let us say, I get to know someone who knows Who is putting on the event, an introduction is made and I discover my previous notion is in error. I had it all wrong. Upon discovering that this wonderful banquet and festival are going to be truly a great time, and of immense benefit to all who attend, with the opportunity to invite and bring many others with me who I wouldn't want to miss out, then isn't it reasonable to "change my mind" about the event and the Event Giver? Isn't it a rational and reasonable thing to have my name listed among the guest list? And in turn invite as many as I can to accompany me?
That in a nutshell, is my thought process. Not for belief in a religion but for faith in my Creator and redeemer Jesus Christ, and in my helper the Holy Spirit.
One last thought, I cannot say that this conclusion was directed totally under my own power. I fully believe in the power of the Holy Spirit to reveal to all of us Who Jesus is, Who God is. In those moments, we are all given the opportunity to accept or deny the truth of the information, revelation we've been given. Simply put, I finally accepted the revelation.
Originally Answered: Doesn't the mothers religious belief have just as much influence on the child as a father religious belief?
A mother's religion greatly influences a child's upbringing and thinking (religious or otherwise). ‘The mother is the child’s first teacher’ and as Jesuits say ‘give me the child, and in seven years, I will give you the man’. These show the critical role that a mother plays in her children’s upbringing and also that what a child learns during its infancy and childhood, will shape and define the child’s way of thinking forever.
Note all Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) don’t encourage inter-faith marriages.
You have good point there, I have personally met Muslims with non- Muslim parents (mothers mostly), and they are either confused or know next to nothing about Islam. These will end up mostly as atheists or agnostic, *God guides whom He wills*.
*Muslim women are not supposed to marry non-Muslim*.
I am doing a personal research on that. The verse in question is:
2: 221 And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allah Alone)…..
The word used is here is 'Mushrikat' meaning idol-worshiper, pagans or polytheists. It doesn't say that a Muslim woman can't marry a man from ‘People of the Book’ or ‘ahlal kitab’, the term which the Koran specifically uses to address, the Jewish people and Christians. I don’t why so many people broadens the definition of the word ‘Mushrikat’ to include ‘ahlal kitab’ for this verse.
Remember, monotheism is more essential and fundamental to the concept of Islam, then ‘so and so’ is the Messenger of God. A child must be more certain about the existence of The One God, rather than Moses, Jesus or Muhammad is God’s messenger(s).
However an overwhelmingly vast majority, of Muslim scholars, forbid a Muslim woman from marrying a Christian or a Jewish man. Basic assumption is because; a man is the head of the family, and has authority to ENFORCE, things (including religion) on his family and children. Children, usually by default, look at their father as a figure of authority and mother as a figure of kindness.
Side example, if a non- Muslim husband orders his Muslim wife, to cook pork, the wife must obey him. But in Islam pork is forbidden and if she cooks, she will be seen as serving her husband something haram and bad. See the moral dilemma for the wife; she is forced to choose between her husband and God.
"or is there any distinction?" there's a distinction. Does deism have a mythology? No, in spite of the undeniable fact that it is a non secular view and a few peoples' faith. Does megastar Trek have a faith? No, in spite of the undeniable fact that it has a mythology. Now look at megastar Wars and Jediism. there is an occasion of a faith per a mythology. nonetheless, megastar Wars isn't a faith. Jediism is. (like the type between historic Greek mythology and historic Greek faith. - faith is a equipment of concept and formality. Mythologies are memories.) Now look at Battlestar Galactica. there is an occasion of a mythology per faith.
Simple. If you believe in a creator, why would He create all this and then walk away and not give a crap about it? If He took the time to create us, then He would care about the state of His creation. I believe in God, but I don't have a lot of use for religion. God is God, religion and doctrines are from man.
“Unless you assume a God, the question of life’s purpose is meaningless.” –Bertrand Russell
We spend our whole lives seeking purpose and meaning and the only way we can find it is by seeking our Creator.
When we look to see the nature of God, we look through the lens of our own bias. For the interventionist Creator cares about how we live our lives; watching and judging our behavior and we hate that. We want the "caring" part but we want to live our lives independent of any authority over us.
Breaker5, laughing and Lakely are all correct in their comments.
My logic on this is: if humans can be caring, why not the Creator? Would the creator of humans be less that the creation?